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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/24/2002 8:18 am  
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Considering UFOs from a Christian Perspective.

http://www.oneplace.com/common/player/oneplace/CustomPlayer.asp?url=http://www.oneplace.com/PlayIt.asp?file=/rlt/rlt20020321.rm&proto=rtsp&MinTitle=Radio+Liberty&MinURL=http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/radio_liberty/&MinArchives=http://www.onepl
This is a very interesting and informative Radio Program.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  MikeCorthell    3/24/2002 12:26 pm  
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  344.2 in reply to 344.1  
 
Yes, My theory is that 'UFO's' will be playing a role in the post-rapture world.


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/24/2002 6:26 pm  
To:  MikeCorthell    (3 of 72)  
 
  344.3 in reply to 344.2  
 
Hi Mike,

 

Glad to hear that the message meets you discernment as well!

 

Lets post some additional information about the topic here.

 

I know for starters that the Video UFO Encounters is an Excellent Video on this topic. Ill look for a link to where the video is available.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    3/27/2002 10:37 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 72)  
 
  344.4 in reply to 344.1  
 
I'm going to have to wait to listen to the whole broadcast until another time so this may have been covered. Have you ever noticed that when people say they have been abducted by alien and they are told things that it's usually new age type stuff? They never ask if Jesus Christ is known on this planet. There are never any Christian symbols around. I'm mean those things alone should tell us who these aliens are. 
Ruth

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/27/2002 2:29 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (5 of 72)  
 
  344.5 in reply to 344.4  
 
Hi Ruth,

 

Excellent point!

 

Have you seen the video that I referenced? They go into that in great detail. How there is now way that a civilized culture would invent then fuel up a spaceship, go on a trillion mile voyage get there at night, mutilate a cow, preach new age, and terrorize a couple of people, then take off again all in a night.

 

All the terror, mutilation, and deceit have Satans sticky little fingerprints all over it!

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    3/27/2002 3:31 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (6 of 72)  
 
  344.6 in reply to 344.5  
 
You know I really try not to limit God. But I just don't see evidence for UFO's in scripture. Also I'm sure that if there is life on other planets God would have revealed Himself to them just as He did to us. Therefore we would see at least some sort of proof of that but we don't it's all one sided. 
I don't think it takes Sherlock Holmes to see, as you put it, Satan's sticky little fingerprints all over this one. LOL 

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  From:  karen (karen10051)   3/27/2002 3:50 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (7 of 72)  
 
  344.7 in reply to 344.6  
 
So, you believe that in all the thousands of galaxies, billions of suns, each with its own solar system, that we are absolutely the only life forms? What a waste.


  
  
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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    3/27/2002 3:59 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (8 of 72)  
 
  344.8 in reply to 344.7  
 
No I'm not necessarily saying that even though I am leaning that way. I am saying that I don't believe the "UFO"s that people are seeing now are inhabitants of other planets or galaxies. 
Ruth

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  From:  karen (karen10051)   3/27/2002 4:32 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (9 of 72)  
 
  344.9 in reply to 344.8  
 
I believe anything is possible. I believe God gave us what WE needed to know in the bible, but like children, perhaps we were not told everything that there is to know. No one knows the mind of God, perhaps we should not presume that he has told us all there is to know...rather, as i said, he has told us what we NEED to know.


  
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/27/2002 4:49 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (10 of 72)  
 
  344.10 in reply to 344.9  
 
Hi Karen,

 

I think that God did in fact tell us all about UFOs and that they are in deed Demonic as their deeds reveal them to be. Just wondering but is another one of your posts where you comment w/o actually reviewing the Presented Material?

 

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 

 

Certainly you are not trying to say that it is good, honorable, and acceptable what is occurring to people, in the dark of the night, in the name of the UFO phenomena!

 

You are acting like God left us unprotected against these dangers and even more that God approves of it. I doubt very seriously that God approves of the Demonic/UFO behavior.

 

Romans 8:38,39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers,  nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   3/27/2002 5:10 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (11 of 72)  
 
  344.11 in reply to 344.10  
 

Hi David... 
Interesting topic. I can't comment on the link you gave because my PC is not working with audio stuff right now! (Aggghhh) 

Your counsel is very sound... our Heavenly Father would not leave us unprotected or uninformed about such strange occurances and unearthly beings making appearances. 

Thanks for the good,Biblical post. 
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/27/2002 5:32 pm  
To:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   (12 of 72)  
 
  344.12 in reply to 344.11  
 
Hi Linda,

 

Thanks for the Compliment!

 

I actually heard both of those Verses quoted by two separate people referring to two different studies but both were talking at that moment about the UFO phenomena.

 

The first one John 10:1 is a quote from Chuck Missiler and the second quote Romans 8:38,39 I heard from a lady on the radio I think it was a Focus on the Family commentary and I never did get her name.

 

I also enjoyed them both very much and felt them to be good Godly counsel.

 

Proverbs 25:11 A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.

 

To me Godly counsel and Godly wisdom come from God and should be passed on to others as it has come from God and not necessarily from people. So I like to just pass stuff along, both mine and others, in hopes that people will consider it with discernment and if it is worthy be Blessed by it.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   3/27/2002 5:50 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (13 of 72)  
 
  344.13 in reply to 344.12  
 
Isn't it wonderful to see how the Spirit of God works...to be a part of it?? We have wonders/questions and thru the Word..we find answers. Sometimes He uses others as vehicles to point us to the answer in His word. I guess that is confirmation of the Hebrews verse (can't remember the exact reference) to not forsake assembling together with the saints. (and in our modern world we do assemble via radio/TV/internet etc as well as I hope for all...a regular church gathering assembling) 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/27/2002 6:01 pm  
To:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   (14 of 72)  
 
  344.14 in reply to 344.13  
 
Great Point!

 

I think that that is Exactly how Christians are healed and uplifted is through the fellowship among God and His people.

 

I know that when I miss out on Christian fellowship that I suffer and I also miss out when others are absent from fellowshipping. I miss them and the Blessings that they bring in being a part of the fellowship.

 

But I only miss the Biblical fellowshipping all too often among the men it is merely a sports event and there is no health and healing in that.

 

Thanks for your good sound Biblical input!

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  karen (karen10051)   3/27/2002 8:02 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (15 of 72)  
 
  344.15 in reply to 344.10  
 
David, David, David...I am not saying that God condones demonic behavior. I am saying that i personally believe life in other galaxies is possible. Period. That is all i am saying. 
Let me ask you a question: Do you believe that the entire mind of God is contained in the bible? Is it possible that there are some things He knows that He did not share because we have no need of that knowledge at this time? 

I believe it is a grave sin to limit the mind of God...so i do not claim to know everything in the universe. 





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/28/2002 5:29 am  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (16 of 72)  
 
  344.16 in reply to 344.15  
 
Hi Karen,

 

The Bible tells much about other life forms both Angelic and Demonic forms and the Bible is also clear that God is the Creator of all life.

 

The people who believe in UFOs also believe in Evolution and that aliens are a part of an evolution process. You know the from the primitive Sea Goo through the Monkeys in the Zoo, to Modern day You, and on until you have Mr. advanced, torture a cow, preach the New Age, Space Alien abductor.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    3/28/2002 9:43 am  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (18 of 72)  
 
  344.18 in reply to 344.17  
 
Karen we can be sure that anything that comes from God, either for this world or some other world, will not violate what the Bible says. Every time I hear about someone being abducted and receiving a "message" for earth from the aliens, that message is always new age in content. All of that new age mess is from the pit. Many Christians are getting caught up in it because they are ignorant of what the Bible says. 
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  From:  karen (karen10051)   3/28/2002 10:54 am  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (19 of 72)  
 
  344.19 in reply to 344.18  
 
I do not deny what you say. I am not particularly sure that i believe all this alien abduction either. I do however support the possibility that other life exists.


  
  
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   From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    3/28/2002 1:12 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (20 of 72)  
 
  344.20 in reply to 344.19  
 
Well Karen I wouldn't totally rule out life on other planets. But I also wouldn't argue with someone who believes that they can prove through scripture that we're it. I don't believe though that what we are seeing now is evidence of life on other planets. I believe what we are experiencing now is demonic activity. 
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From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/28/2002 4:41 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (21 of 72)  
 
  344.21 in reply to 344.20  
 
Hi Ruth,

Excellent post!

 

Job 22:12 Is not God in the height of heaven? and behold the height of the stars, how high they are!

 

I agree God has not left us unequipped for the Universe that we live in. After all those --things are not in a galaxy far, far away they are right here right now in our domain messing with us.

 

Psalm 147:4,5 He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names. Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.

 

It is important to note that God has declared that He alone created all the Stars, that He knows the number of stars, and that He has even given each one of them a name. So if another Star (sun) was a sun to another planet system which is sustaining another life form God did not declare it. God Declared that He made the Univers to show us His vastness and His creativity. The Univers is made for us and our relationship with God.

 

Psalm 103:10,11 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

 

He has also declared that He holds the entire Universe in just the width of His hand.

 

Isaiah 20:12-15 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales,  and the hills  in a balance? Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him? With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

 

Most importantly God has declared that Heaven is His throne and the earth is His footstool foot Biblically is a referance to Soul the Earth is where God has placed His Soul, His desires.. 

 

Isaiah 66:1,2 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   3/28/2002 4:50 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051) unread  (22 of 72)  
 
  344.22 in reply to 344.19  
 
Hi Karen... 

While it may be possible that other life exists elsewhere, if it were to make an appearance here on earth, it does concern us....we live here, God put us here. Do you believe God would just let some sort of life from somewhere else come and *commune* with us and not give us any instruction from His word about them?? 

If life exists elsewhere fine, I believe that could be possible but I don't need to concern myself with that unless they show up here.... 

Linda
 
  
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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    3/28/2002 4:53 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (23 of 72)  
 
  344.23 in reply to 344.21  
 
You know it's amazing when you look at those scriptures as well as others that talk about the vastness of God. His "size", as if He can be measured, then realize that He's also inside a mother's womb watching as two cells come together to form a living being. He can be so vast and yet right here next to me as I write this. 
WOW what a God we serve. He never ceases to amaze me. 

Ruth

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/28/2002 5:14 pm  
To:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   (24 of 72)  
 
  344.24 in reply to 344.22  
 
Hi,

Great Point!

 

Also they (Aliens) are not just communing with us they are preaching to us and it is a different Gospel than that of Gods so we can be certain that God has equipped us from His word the Bible to handle it .

 

Galatians 1:6-12 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him (Father/Holy Spirit) that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel (Messenger) from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if  I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by there relation of Jesus Christ.

 

It is very much like Satan Himself lurking around the Garden of Eden and giving false information to Eve. Information that caused the downfall of mankind. These Aliens posess the information of destruction and anyone who listens to it is headed for their own personal destruction.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/28/2002 5:29 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (25 of 72)  
 
  344.25 in reply to 344.23  
 
Hi Ruth,

 

Yes, as I was just gathering those Awesome verses together I again was totally Blessed by them and I was realizing that I need to be doing more devotions and giving more thought into who God really is. For He is Truly Awesome!!!

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   3/28/2002 5:31 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (26 of 72)  
 
  344.26 in reply to 344.24  
 
David.... 

Great scripture to reflect on for the topic. It is so important for us to know the word of God...what it says NOT what it doesn't say! " Thy WORD have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee." Psalm 119:11 "Thy WORD IS a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path." Psalm 119:105 

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  From:  Star (ElderSage)    4/5/2002 8:02 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051) unread  (27 of 72)  
 
  344.27 in reply to 344.7  
 
Quote "So, you believe that in all the thousands of galaxies, billions of suns, each with its own solar system, that we are absolutely the only life forms? What a waste."

Waste of what? The entire physical universe was created out of nothing in the first place. Why would it be a waste if we here on Earth are the only physical lifeform in it? If life exists on other planets and if it were possible for it to travel to this planet then I'm sure God would have told us about something so significant. He did warn us however, about the "prince of the air" by the name of Lucifer who I also believe is behind most of the really strange UFO phenomena. If one really studies into the subject there are a lot of similarities between the so called abductions of today and the incubus and succubus demon encounters of centuries past.   

 

 

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  From:  Batty1   4/6/2002 4:03 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (28 of 72)  
 
  344.28 in reply to 344.6  
 
Not to butt in here, but has anyone read Eze. Chap 1. Also the other references to "ufo's". like the "whirlwind" that took Elijah up after they suddenly became "visable", like from another dimension. 
And the "fire" that took the angel up from the altar after telling the parents of.....uh...Samson I think it was,about him. And the "clouds by day and fire by night". Im not convinced these "ufo's" are from outer space, but maybe from another dimension. Somethings definately going on tho. 
Nice to meet you, Batty1 8) 

PS There is a new movie out called "Deceived" Its about this very subject.

Exodus 14:14 The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace. 
  
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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    4/8/2002 8:47 am  
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  344.29 in reply to 344.28  
 
The things you mention should not be considered ufo's. They were either angelic appearances or the presense of God. 
Ruth

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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   4/8/2002 12:15 pm  
To:  Star (ElderSage)    (30 of 72)  
 
  344.30 in reply to 344.27  
 
Hi: 
Good reflextion you made on the supposed waste of a universe that might just have us as it's only creatures. If God did design it that way, as Creator and Sovereign, that is His will and handiwork...God is God and if He chooses to create whole empty galaxies with billions of suns etc. for his own glory and splendor who is mortal man to call it/that a waste?? 

Seems to me the Bible makes it pretty clear that when Angels are sent from God to man, they identify themselves as from God, for what purpose they've come (give their announcement) give glory to God....and then go back to God. Even then we are to be watchful for Angels masquerading as "light". 

These UFO "creatures" do not give glory to God or make any mention of God's creation, Jesus as the Son of God..the Bible etc. In fact they always seem to appear in the dark...That in and of itself ought to tell any believer NOT to believe the UFO phenomena as God created creatures from some benevolent/distant planet/galaxie. (that God's word tells us nothing about.) 

Regards, 

Linda 

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  From:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    4/8/2002 1:40 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (31 of 72)  
 
  344.31 in reply to 344.10  
 
Ummm... "demonic"? UFOs?? I haven't read the whole thread, but I feel like I'm hearing the same kind of intolerance and non-acceptance of others that caused things like the Inquisition and the witch burnings in Salem. 
Whoever they are, are attempting to be careful about "first contact." They are obviously far more advanced techologically than we are. That says very little about their spiritual and/or moral development, however. 

I would be very hesitant to stirring up fear and hatred unless and until it is actually warranted.

Namaste,
Becca 

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  From:  Star (ElderSage)    4/8/2002 3:06 pm  
To:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    (32 of 72)  
 
  344.32 in reply to 344.31  
 
Sooo. . . folks are now considered intolerant because we entertain the possibility that UFOs etc. (which can't be proven or disproven) might in most cases be demonic in nature? 

Christians are taught to test the spirits not blindly accept them on face value regardless of what they might say or do. . 

Tolerance and acceptance of non bible based "religious" doctrines and practices is one reason the so called "main stream" Christian churches are dying right now. Just because a born again Christian does not accept new things like altered states of being, astral projection, reincarnation and other Hindu/New Age or what have you ideas, does not make him/her intolerant of other people it simply means we don't accept the ideas and will not incorporate such things into our core beliefs nor should we be expected to by the so called "tolerant" people of other "enlightened religions". If it did, Christianity as a whole would not have lasted the last 2000 years as a viable religion, which of course is the real goal of the so called "tolerant" and "enlightened" people, ie, water down Christianity with our philosophies till it ceases to be recognizable or relevant. . 

 

 



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  From:  Batty1   4/8/2002 4:52 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (33 of 72)  
 
  344.33 in reply to 344.29  
 
ok....Im glad you're happy with your opinion. I just cant believe angels are made of metal, so I have to look for another explaination. 
I believe what Ezekiel saw was real and it was made of metal. One day we will know all the truth. PTL ! ! ! 
Batty1

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  From:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    4/8/2002 4:58 pm  
To:  Batty1   (34 of 72)  
 
  344.34 in reply to 344.33  
 
I didn't say Angels were made of metal. What verse are you talking about? If it's the chariot of fire that Elijah went up in who was driving that chariot? It had to be angels and not space creatures. 
Ruth

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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   4/8/2002 5:37 pm  
To:  Batty1   (35 of 72)  
 
  344.35 in reply to 344.33  
 

Hi Batty... 
You are referring to the wheels in EZ. right? I don't know what those wheels were exactly either but we do know from the text the discription of the creatures and from the text they were heavenly beings. Ezekial writes in verse 1 of chapter 1 that..." the heavens were open and I saw visions of God." and in verse 3 it says, "...the hand of the Lord was upon him (Ezekiel ) there." So this was a divine revelation given to Ezekiel and recorded for our benefit into the word of God. (the Bible) Anyway, can't God use metal?..He made it. 

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  From:  Batty1   4/8/2002 6:12 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (36 of 72)  
 
  344.36 in reply to 344.34  
 
Exactly. I think we are miscommunicating...LOL I was basically speaking of what Ezekiel saw in Eze chapter 1. I guess I feel the UFO's are some good and some satan. But satan is coming first so what we see now are, in my mind....satans minions. 
Batty1

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  From:  Batty1   4/8/2002 6:14 pm  
To:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   (37 of 72)  
 
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Absolutely and AMEN. 
Batty1

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  From:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    4/9/2002 1:42 pm  
To:  Star (ElderSage)    (38 of 72)  
 
  344.38 in reply to 344.32  
 
But, you're *presuming* that UFOs are demonic before any real facts are known. You're going on hearsay or supposition without facts. 
Intolerance is evil. Pat Robertson and Jimmy Swagart proved that in the days following the terrorist attack by saying on air that various groups, by simply existing, caused the attack. 

The reason that christian churches are dying is because more people see how rigid and inflexible those dogmas are, and that such belief systems are spiritually unfullfilling. Such structures are a vestige of the past, and must be thrown down if we as a species are to survive. 

In today's world, in this socio-economic environment, being able to accept differences of spiritual opinion and living in a state of mutual coexistance is the better path. This is what I am promoting with my website and forum.

Namaste,
Becca 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/9/2002 4:40 pm  
To:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    (39 of 72)  
 
  344.39 in reply to 344.38  
 
Hi,

 

Everyone here Already knows that you are totally intolerant of Christianity after your first post so please stop posting in your massive shouting letter sized posts.

 

They will be easier to read!

 

Thank you,

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   From:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    4/9/2002 6:49 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (40 of 72)  
 
  344.40 in reply to 344.39  
 
Sorry - I am a frequent visitor of forums that have vision-impaired members. I use a larger font so that they can more easily read my posts. I am in no way shouting, I promise :)
Namaste,
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From:  Star (ElderSage)    4/9/2002 6:52 pm  
To:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    (41 of 72)  
 
  344.41 in reply to 344.38  
 
I've checked out your forum and found what I figured I would find. . You're so very wrong on every count, however, just because I disagree with your point of veiw does not make me intolerant nor do I wish to have you burned at the stake.  I'm open to many new ideas but they have nothing to do with my core beliefs and never will. . You're free to follow any idea you wish I'm also free and obligated to warn you out of love if its anything other than accepting Jesus Christ as the Living Son of God and as your personal savior then all the chanting, channelling, rubbing crystals, communing with higher spirit beings or thinking your going to become a god yourself like Shirley MacClain likes to think, is only going to get you one thing and that is eternal death and eternal seperation from your Creator. Call it intolerance if you wish but if you don't have Jesus you might as well stop wasting your time trying to become enlightened, its not going to happen.

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  From:  Mary'sSong (James255)   4/29/2002 11:43 am  
To:  karen (karen10051) unread  (42 of 72)  
 
  344.42 in reply to 344.7  
 
A waste from a human persepctive, perhaps, but hardly a waste from God's viewpoint. Thinking of the vastness of space as wasted makes little sense. 
Even if there is life out there, there's no doubt that 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the universe is empty and lifeless. 

Even if a million other civilizations exist, the universe would still be 99.99999999999999999% empty and lifeless. Would it still be a waste? 

Somehow I think God can afford to waste all the space He wishes, and it's no big deal.
 
  
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  From:  Chuchulainn   4/30/2002 2:35 pm  
To:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    (43 of 72)  
 
  344.43 in reply to 344.40  
 
Hmmm, so are you disagreeing simply because you think that the people of this forum are "vision-impaired"? 
I'm just wondering, because arguing for the sake of argument will not get you anywhere, in fact (judging by your "namaste"), you're bringing nothing but "bad Karma", using your New-Age jargon, onto yourself. Nothing but negativity results in a negative universe for yourself, so why don't you do everyone a favor and give us all the benifit of the doubt and move on?
 
  
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  From:  Chuchulainn   4/30/2002 2:39 pm  
To:  Mary'sSong (James255) unread  (44 of 72)  
 
  344.44 in reply to 344.42  
 
Hmmm! Interesting point! 
Myself, I think that there is definately other life out there, and the Bible <i>could</i> only symbolize the human story. God is eternal, right? And infinite, as well. He could have easily created an infinite number of multiverses and an infinite amount of civilizations ranging from us to the most bizzarre alien you could think up. 

However, the notion that Angels and acts of God are of alien origin falls into an almost mormon perspective...or sheer lunacy.
 
  
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  From:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    4/30/2002 3:02 pm  
To:  Chuchulainn   (45 of 72)  
 
  344.45 in reply to 344.43  
 
I'd already moved on... you replied to a post nearly a month old. Then I deleted the message notification, and had to hunt down this forum to find your message and read it. 
Secondly, I'm not implying that anyone here is vision-impaired, either physically or mentally (as you implied with your quote marks). I said what I meant - that I use this font because there are people in other forums I frequent, that have difficulty seeing small font faces. 

Thirdly, "namaste" is an ancient Sanskrit word that is older than christianity itself. It means, "I see the God in you,", and it is a phrase in current use by Hindii. 

This is my last post here (to your great relief, no doubt), so don't bother replying to me.

Namaste,
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/30/2002 5:12 pm  
To:  Chuchulainn   (46 of 72)  
 
  344.46 in reply to 344.43  
 
Hi Chuchulainn,

 

I took the liberty of e-mailing Becca an Apology on behalf of both of us.

 

I hope that you too will take this time to publicly Apologize to her, since you are being disrespectful and out of line.

 

Also I would like to make the point that you have absolutely no authority on this forum so therefore please do not tell someone to move on, because it is you that will get the invitation to move and if you disagree with this you can consider this just such an invitation.

 

David



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  From:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    4/30/2002 6:00 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (47 of 72)  
 
  344.47 in reply to 344.46  
 
Thank you, David.
Namaste,
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  From:  Chuchulainn   5/1/2002 12:58 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (48 of 72)  
 
  344.48 in reply to 344.46  
 
Email sent! Sorry, this topic was under a "new" status an i have only started in this forum, not looking at the dates I figured itwas recent. I apologize, please forgive my impetuousness. 
  
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  From:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    5/2/2002 6:45 pm  
To:  Chuchulainn   (49 of 72)  
 
  344.49 in reply to 344.48  
 
I tried to reply to your email, but it bounced with the message "mailbox unavailable". My reply is as follows: 

Apology accepted. A large part of my forum and website are dedicated to accepting others, including those we disagree with. In this day and age, Humanity can scarcely afford intolerance, because there is nowhere to go to get away from people who don't look/act/believe/etc the way we do. 

I don't tell christians to stop believing what they do; I ask them to allow others to have their own beliefs. Having been born into a christian family, and raised to become a christian, I know full well where you're coming from and how strongly you hold your beliefs. However, you cannot reach out and take a banana if you're clenching a nut tightly in your fist.

Namaste,
Becca 

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  From:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    5/14/2002 2:32 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (50 of 72)  
 
  344.50 in reply to 344.16  
 
"The people who believe in UFOs also believe in Evolution and that aliens are a part of an evolution process."
I do not think that is necessarily the case. I agree with Karen. God can choose to do anything He wishes, and He doesn't have to tell us anything if He does not want to do so. Ther may be life elsewhere on the universe, but if there is or is not, really is immaterial. God will reveal what we need to know when we need to know it.


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  From:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    5/14/2002 2:34 pm  
To:  Ruth (RUTHMARX)    (51 of 72)  
 
  344.51 in reply to 344.23  
 
AMEN!

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/15/2002 9:23 am  
To:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    (52 of 72)  
 
  344.52 in reply to 344.50  
 
Hi Babs,

 

Nice to hear from you.

 

Remember that the point was already made on this thread that the so called Aliens are in our here and now and not out in some theoretical outer space also they are interacting with Humans in a very detrimental ways, spiritually, emotionally, physically. We are not talking about distant galaxies we are talking about our living space.

 

The point was also made that they (Aliens) are teaching a religion and it is a different religion than what Jesus teaches.

 

Since they (Aliens/Demons) are here messing with us and specifically in matters of Faith and Belief I think that the Bible does address the Alien issue thoroughly and it calls them Liars and Deceivers who proclaim not the truth about Jesus Christ.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    5/15/2002 6:56 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (53 of 72)  
 
  344.53 in reply to 344.52  
 
This much I agree with you on. Anything anyone/thing tells one should be mesured against the ultimate "Truth Scale" - God's Word. If they do not agree on EVERY SINGLE DETAIL, then the "new" information is suspect.

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  From:  Jymmy2   6/1/2002 8:24 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (54 of 72)  
 
  344.54 in reply to 344.1  
 
Dear David, 
I totally agree with you. Just plain old horse-sense will tell you that when God sends a messenger to anyone, that messenger always says "God sent me to you..." or "God sent me to tell you...." As far as I know, not one "alien" has ever told anyone that God sent them. Why would a messenger of God need to abduct anyone, or perform exploratory "surgeries" on them, or traumatize or harm them in any way? Some years ago I bought a book about UFOs being demonic, and if I can remember the title I'll send it to you. It explains exactly what we believe. 
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/1/2002 9:31 am  
To:  Jymmy2   (55 of 72)  
 
  344.55 in reply to 344.54  
 
Thanks Jimmy,

 

I agree, you are using good discernment to test the spirits especially by testing their message, their origins and the actions that result from their message.

 

It really is a demonic scam. Even if I discounted the Bible I wouldnt believe for one second that advanced societies are coming here and behaving like, well like demons.

 

I look forward to Finding out about it, and you just reminded me that I need to locate a video that I recommended which also covers this topic extremely well.

 

I loaned out the video and Im not certain of the exact title but it is similar to UFOs the Untold Story I have looked several times for a location that sells it but havent located it yet.

 

Keep up the good work!

God Bless you,

Your Brother in Jesus,

David



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  From:  sublime windchime (JDaneman)    6/22/2002 7:34 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (56 of 72)  
 
  344.56 in reply to 344.55  
 
I think "demonic scam" is a really excellent description for alien "encounters."

I often wonder about the existence of other worlds, what that means in light of Christ's coming HERE. I came to a couple of conclusions:

1. We may be at the center of the universe (Read Dr. Bouw's interesting book on Geocentricity. He thinks it is scriptural to have the earth at the center, and includes some excellent math.)

2. If we aren't at the center, it doesn't matter for us. We can't get to other worlds farther than our own solar system in the near future, and the planets in our solar system are apparently devoid of sentient life. 

3. The Bible says nothing about creation of other earths. So either they are out of reach and irrelevant to us, or they don't exist.

4. If they do exist, they fit into God's plan without us at this point. 

Anyway you look at it, it's just science fiction and alien experiences are probably demonic. And it is interesting that people who believe there are aliens will deny the existence of demons. Yet which is more provable?
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/22/2002 8:09 pm  
To:  sublime windchime (JDaneman)    (57 of 72)  
 
  344.57 in reply to 344.56  
 
Hi JDaneman,

 

Excellent point!

 

This UFO thing is really creepy and getting creepier.

 

It amazes me too that people (non-Christians) are so unwilling to make the Demon UFO connection.

 

Here is a verse from my devotions yesterday and I thought it might pertain to this topic.

 

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times He (Father) might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are in earth.

 

The Bible is clear that God created the entire universe the seen and also the unseen and that God has complete knowledge of His entire universe and that God has a plan for His universe.

 

There are no mysteries or unknowns to God, to Him all things are known and we can clearly rest be in safety and have comfort in God.

 

God Bless you,

David



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  From:  Star (ElderSage)    6/24/2002 8:06 pm  
To:  sublime windchime (JDaneman)   unread  (58 of 72)  
 
  344.58 in reply to 344.56  
 
Consider the following passages, they partially are what changed my belief in aliens many years ago:

Psalm 8
4   What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5   For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
6   Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

According to these verses it would appear to me that mankind here on Earth is the highest creation in the physical universe especially according to verse 6. . In order for beings from other planets to visit this planet they would have to be far superior to man to be able to develop technology for traveling between stars, something man cannot do at the present time. Therefore, physical beings on other planets either do not exist or if they do they are not equal or superior to man and certainly would not be capable of traveling here. . However, there are as we all know invisible beings ie fallen angels that have I'm sure the ability to be visible in any form they wish in order to deceive men when it suits Satan's purpose. UFO phenomena involving beings with technology "appearing" vastly superior to ours already deceives thousands of people. . Think of the impact if someday in the future a spaceship lands in Washington and an alien steps out spouting new age garbage on CNN. . Yes I think it would fit Satan's plans just fine.   

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  From:  Joanna Daneman (A1IU7S4HCK1X)   6/25/2002 5:00 am  
To:  Star (ElderSage)    (59 of 72)  
 
  344.59 in reply to 344.58  
 
I like your Bible quote. Notice that "man a little lower than the angels" bothers the PETA people as well. The earth-worshippers would have us be "equal" or "slightly less than equal" members of the animal kingdom. The purpose of this is not obvious, but if you take it to the logical conclusion, Man worth only an animal's worth, is chattel, not mankind. And life becomes...very cheap indeed. 
 
  
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From:  Jymmy2   7/11/2002 5:55 pm  
To:  Joanna Daneman (A1IU7S4HCK1X) unread  (61 of 72)  
 
  344.61 in reply to 344.59  
 
Hi, Joanna, I think you have a very viable insight into this alien thing. The Literal Translation of Psalm 8:6 says that God made man a little lower than the GODHEAD, not the angels. We're told in the New Testament that angels are "ministering spirits, sent to minister to the heirs of salvation" (us); if we were lower than they are, we'd be ministering to them instead of the other way around. When the KJV of the Bible was translated, the translators simply lost their nerve when they came to that verse, and stuck in "angels" instead of "Godhead" - refusing to believe that we're only a little lower than God Himself. And if there were other civilizations out in space who are higher than we are, we'd be under their domination. God didn't say that; as you quoted, WE have everything under OUR feet - leading me to believe with you that there aren't any "others" out there. What people are perceiving as aliens from other planets are demons that are setting the stage for the coming of the anti-christ. 
  
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  From:  123four   7/13/2002 4:25 pm  
To:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    (62 of 72)  
 
  344.62 in reply to 344.31  
 
oh there is no fear. lol lol God is God of the universe! 
  
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  From:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    7/15/2002 7:21 pm  
To:  123four   (63 of 72)  
 
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There is fear - I'm afeered of y'all. You people are no better than the Taliban. If fact, truth be told, y'all are *exactly* like them. The only difference is y'alls religion.
Namaste,
Becca 

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  From:  123four   7/15/2002 7:33 pm  
To:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    (64 of 72)  
 
  344.64 in reply to 344.63  
 
IF you feel that way, then may I ask why you are hanging around? 
  
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  From:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    7/15/2002 9:18 pm  
To:  123four   (65 of 72)  
 
  344.65 in reply to 344.64  
 
The first time, I followed a promo to what I thought was surely a joke. Second time, you brought me back by responding to my now month-old post. Trust me, I don't spend any time here otherwise.
Namaste,
Becca 

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  From:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    7/15/2002 9:25 pm  
To:  Star (ElderSage)    (66 of 72)  
 
  344.66 in reply to 344.32  
 
Ummmmm... how can you test what you have not encountered? You have less than no clue as to the true nature of who- (or what-) ever are on the UFOs. We don't even really know *what* UFOs are! That's why they're UFO - *Unidentified* Flying Objects. 
So, with that said, what could *ANY* religion possibly add of substance to this discussion? It is purely theoretical and conjecture. 

All I can say to this whole thread is that Galileo and Copernicus both proved that the Earth is not the center of the solar system, not the center of the galaxy, and certainly not the center of the universe. I can also say that I'm pretty sure *everyone* will be surprised when the truth of UFOs is revealed. Including me.

Namaste,
Becca 

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  From:  123four   7/16/2002 12:22 am  
To:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    (67 of 72)  
 
  344.67 in reply to 344.66  
 
I betcha God knows...since He made it ALL. :) 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/16/2002 9:09 am  
To:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    (68 of 72)  
 
  344.68 in reply to 344.66  
 
Hi,

 

There have been many encounters with UFOs or what are being termed as UFOs.

 

It is those encounters that are being examined.

 

UFOs Remain UFOs because the UFOs themselves refuses to Identify themselves to us in an open and honest way.

 

The conduct, the message and the behavior of the UFO is what is leading Christians and many experts to label the UFO encounter as Dangerous, Occultic even Satanic.

 

It seems like you are fantasizing about some never before encountered events. Events that most likely dont exist. But what does exist is the fact that humans and animals are being harassed even killed under the guise of UFOs.

 

All the Best to you,

David



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  From:  Star (ElderSage)    7/16/2002 4:59 pm  
To:  Becca (SAPPHOS41)    (69 of 72)  
 
  344.69 in reply to 344.63  
 
<There is fear - I'm afeered of y'all. You people are no better than the Taliban. If fact, truth be told, y'all are *exactly* like them. The only difference is y'alls religion.>

That statement reveals much prejudice, ignorance, hatred and vindictiveness. . . And from such an enlightened being as yourself. . . tsk tsk

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/29/2002 1:42 pm  
To:  ALL   (70 of 72)  
 
  344.70 in reply to 344.57  
 
F-16s Chase Mystery UFO Over D.C.

By Cathryn Conroy, CompuServe News Editor
Ever since September 11, F-16 Air Force jets somewhat routinely zoom over the skies of the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area. But the noise can still startle residents--especially in the middle of the night. And it was this noise that woke Renny Rogers of Waldorf, Maryland early Friday morning and sent him outside to gaze heavenward. What he saw stunned him. "It was this object, this light-blue object, traveling at a phenomenal rate of speed," Rogers told The Washington Post. "This Air Force jet was right behind it, chasing it, but the object was just leaving him in the dust. I told my neighbor, 'I think those jets are chasing a UFO.'" 

"Blue jets" have been spotted by scientists and stargazers for 100 years. What ARE they? 

Military officials will confirm this much: Two F-16s carrying air-to-air missiles took off from Andrews Air Force Base early Friday morning after radar detected an "unknown aircraft" in area airspace and they were unable to establish radio communication. Although officials insist the jets were not chasing a UFO, they admit they never caught up to the object since it just disappeared. "We had a track of interest, so we sent up some aircraft," said Maj. Douglas Martin, a spokesman for the North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado. "Everything was fine in the sky, so they returned home." What were the jets chasing? "There are any number of scenarios, but we don't know what it was," said Maj. Barry Venable, another spokesman for NORAD, admitted to The Post. Rogers, who witnessed it all on the ground, said, "It looked like a shooting star with no trailing mist. I've never seen anything like it." 

One country takes UFOs so seriously, it's considered real scientific research. Which country is it? Answer, China.



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/14/2002 11:30 am  
To:  ALL   (71 of 72)  
 
  344.71 in reply to 344.70  
 
UFOs Cause Panic In India--and Death

 

By Cathryn Conroy, CompuServe News Editor

If this really IS a UFO from outer space, the ETs inside are not being very friendly. Villagers in India's Uttar Pradesh state insist that a flying sphere that comes only at night and flashes red and blue lights is attacking people in the region. At least seven people have died in the past week of unexplained injuries. And when the UFO doesn't kill, it causes everything from extensive burning and blistering to just scratches and surface wounds that the people insist are inflicted on them while they sleep. Not to mention great fear. 

 

One of the dead is Ramji Pal. His neighbor, Raghuraj Pal, told The Associated Press, "A mysterious flying object attacked him in the night. His stomach was ripped open. He died two days later." A woman named Kalawati showed an AP reporter her blackened and blistered forearms. "It was like a big soccer ball with sparkling lights. It burned my skin. I can't sleep because of pain," she told the wire service. The villagers have even given the UFO a name: Moohnochwa. Doctors are just as insistent there is no UFO and blame it all on mass hysteria. Dr. Narrotam Lal, who works at King George's Medical College in Lucknow, says "the victims have unconsciously inflicted the symptoms themselves." The police say the injuries have been caused by bugs--specifically a 3-1/2-inch-long winged insect that leaves rashes and superficial wounds. Villagers are sticking to their story. 

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*Note a "superficial wound" by definition is not life threatening. When someone dies from a wound it wasn't a superficial wound. In other words either the bugs are inflicting deadly wounds or these people are being attacked by something other than bugs (i.e. demons).

 

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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/14/2002 12:07 pm  
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Remember when confronted with Any scary or supernatural phenomena, Freely Call upon Jesus and His Protection.

 

Hebrews 13:5-6

.. for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake  thee. So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

 

Harmful encounters like this are a Test from Satan to see if you know Jesus or if you are open and vulnerable to harm from Satan. India is steeped in false Religion and this is one of the problems of not knowing or denying the Truth of Jesus in that you are vulnerable and defenseless against demonic attacks.

 

In these testings be in prayer, ask Jesus to help, protect and save you and others. Recall  Read Bible verses and hold on to them as Jesus did when Satan temped Him in the wilderness.

 

James 4:7-8

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you.

 

Remember Satan is Already Defeated. The Victory has already been won and secured for us on the Cross and Revealed to us in the Resurrection of Jesus. Stand Strong, Resist the Devil and he will flee from you! Know that in Jesus we are also invincible because like Jesus we to will Resurrect from death and with death defeated our enemies become powerless.

 

1 Corinthians 15:55-58

O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

 

God Bless You,

David



David A. Brown
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